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good evening and welcome to UFO line I'm

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Gene Haas here with Bob ozar Bob are you

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set for the show No in fact this is the

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last place I want to be tonight that's

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the spirit our guest tonight really

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needs no introduction in the Las Vegas

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listening area he's got a famous family

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name and he's made an Infamous name for

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himself in UFO research and that guest

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of course is John Lear welcome John

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thanks Gene so John I think a good place

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to start might be of all the stories

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that's why around us about you and

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ufology I think one of them are we

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jumping right into this right right one

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that a lot of people don't know is how

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did you get interested in ufology how

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how did what was the Catalyst that

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actually made you pay attention what's

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going on well you know my dad was always

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talking about this stuff he was he had

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seen you made a sighting and uh

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um

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I had never been all that much

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interested because I didn't think there

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was anything to it as a matter of fact

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1980 I remember corresponding with uh

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John Andrews that uh of testers that

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there was nothing to it then in 19 when

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I heard all the stories that all the

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guys hears but in 1985

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uh a friend of mine who I flew with

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in-laws during the Southeast Asian

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conflict he flew a-10s he came to Nellis

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Air Force Base on his way somewhere and

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he came up he hadn't seen him in about

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10 years and in the conversation I asked

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him where all he'd been based in the

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since I'd seen him and one of the places

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he mentioned was bent Waters England and

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that's the United States Air Force Base

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about 70 miles Northeast of London and I

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said oh Bill Waters well that's

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supposedly where that Flying Saucer

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crashed in 1980 he said no John not

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supposedly it did he said I didn't see

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it because I was confined to quarters

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but I know the guys who did and he gave

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me the names of major Ted Conrad and

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Colonel Chuck Halt and uh General

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Williams

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and I said what are you what are you

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telling me that this stuff is true and

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he said yeah it sure is and that's what

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started me off so I spent the next two

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years you know I thought I had known a

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lot of secret stuff I worked on an offer

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the CIA for many years and I thought you

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knew a lot of stuff but this is one big

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thing I missed out so that's what

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started okay if any would like to give

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us a call you can call

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731-1230 or hit star 12 30 on your cell

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phone uh John what's the latest I mean

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you're always good for an outrageous

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prediction uh why don't we get your

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comments on some of the the recent

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happenings what are your thoughts on the

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alien autopsy film uh I think it's it's

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uh it's not real it's his personal

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opinion there's no particular reason and

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I bet it doesn't look like uh

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a real alien as if I've seen a real

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alien before so you think somebody faked

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it for money

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uh could be I really don't know what

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this story is well Bob has a giant list

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of past John Lear predictions and

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statements and accusations that he'd

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like to go through to see which ones you

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still Stand By and which ones you change

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your mind on so Bob you want to go ahead

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and hit the list sure I do

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[Laughter]

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okay let's see here

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let's start at the bottom the driver

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shot Kennedy the driver of the limo shot

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Kennedy what do you think I'm not

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convinced that uh still not convinced

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that uh he didn't do it of course

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everybody's dropped it by now but uh I

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went back but you still think it's

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possible it's possible

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I went back and viewed some film that a

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guy had that was uh really close up and

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he was trying to sell that film the only

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one was the recruiter film uh yeah it

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was the enlarged from one of the

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supposed second through third generation

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films with and he was trying to show me

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the pink of the driver's Hands on the

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Wheel while this supposed shooting

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scenario was going on but but it wasn't

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all that convincing okay

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the Five Mile Square the five square

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mile roof over Area 51 uh yeah that was

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uh rocks okay okay he's one on one the

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two billion aliens living along the

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mountains or inside the mountains along

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Highway 93. that was pretty far-fetched

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for last uh the underground tunnel from

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Boulder Dam to Area 51 there's

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underground tunnels all over the place

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and uh so you think somewhere around the

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dam you can get in a tunnel and drive to

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Area 51 underground Nellis or anywhere

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you want Edwards uh George Air Force you

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can drive from Boulder to Edwards

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underground uh it's it's not I don't

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think you can drive it they have these

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man I think they call mag lab or

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something man they got a maglev train in

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you must be kidding no no question no

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doubt about it in my mind as a matter of

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fact I talked and they built that

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without anyone seeing him dig the tunnel

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yeah what do they do with the dirt and

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the rock that was well I don't think

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I think it's the process of digging the

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holes that the the dirt is decomposed

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there was the decomposed the dirt okay

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the uh

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patent that I showed you a couple years

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ago that came that the two uh Los Alamos

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guys got for that train or for that

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equipment that that uses the same prices

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but that would be a major undertaking to

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construct a you know a maglev train

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under there you have no idea how far

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those things extend I talked with a guy

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who works in LA with a guy who was

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worked at Holloman and he talked you

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know they talked about getting on this

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maglev and going different places you

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know it's just not out here it's all

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over the place yeah I'm gonna stick by

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that one okay don't call acid rescue

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we're here with John Lair if you want to

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give us a call dial 731-1230 okay uh

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let's see here

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I don't want to say that one yet what

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about the uh people are food for aliens

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what about that old country uh who

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probably stick by that yeah you're

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kidding me

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yeah I don't have to stick by that yeah

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um what about that little story about

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abductees getting these implants and

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then at some point in time someone's

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going to have this device that resembles

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a TV remote control and uh be able to

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control these guys all in Mass yeah

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whatever they want sells to buy that one

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I'm getting scared okay what about

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um the stealth fighter the liquid

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crystals on the top and bottom of the

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stealth fighter so from above it looks

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like the ground and from below it looks

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like this guy they didn't use that on

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the stealth fighter but it may have been

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which airplane was that too bad they

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uh 70 different species of aliens 80.

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he's probably 80 I have visited okay

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well where where do you get a number

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like that

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people who have made of the different

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all the drawings I've seen with the

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inspection expansion did I say that word

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with the expectations with the exception

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The Reptilian type guy

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essentially the same exactly like the

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grade no there's books and books and

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books of all the different things

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okay Sean was that your watch alarm

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the Jailer um yeah I guess it was a jail

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down somewhere on the Nellis range to

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put all the UFO researchers at one point

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in time yeah if I said that I was a

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little bit off basement but not all

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faced with those other things no okay

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um now we're getting into my favorite

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ones here well not yet reptilians since

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we mentioned them yours are reptilian

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race and uh where does this come from

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where did he come from no where I mean

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where does his information come from the

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reason I bring up reptilians is because

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at one time I called you had a UFO

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drawing somewhere that you showed me and

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wanted to get a print of it and you said

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I had a call Bill Hamilton or something

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like that and uh you gave me his number

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I called and got his wife or girlfriend

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she said that Bill's not here right now

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he's down the block uh because uh one of

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the neighbors was having some problems

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with a reptilian and I I thought it was

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a joke and she was serious and I said

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well what do you mean and uh she said

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well he was out hassling her in the

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now this always has left an impression

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with me that these reptilian guys are

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out walking around hassling people on

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the street and well that's in California

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I'm not familiar or I don't remember

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that story but the fact is uh there is a

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reptilian race and they are around it

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they don't walk down the streets

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so you think they're an advanced race

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yeah apparently like the Grays way way

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ahead of us is there any contact with

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them now

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uh supposedly at the test site uh there

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has been contact with uh with a species

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called Riptide what that they're working

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there in some capacity or they're just

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yeah they're just there uh the story was

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related to me about a guard uh who had

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to be or guards who had to be shown

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photos uh

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about three to four weeks just flash

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uh of these species before they were put

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on duty so that they were sitting there

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and guarding something one of these

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things came walking down the hall and

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these guys dropped dead of a heart

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would uh what do you do you have any

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ideas about the motivations or what is

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this a is this a joint venture with

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humans and the reptilians similar to the

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old stories about the Grays are are

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exactly what is there I don't know what

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this girl is no I just can't spy that

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you believe all this stuff well when we

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flying you didn't believe in flying

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saucers and uh yeah but it's kind of

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like George Nance fan you know and uh in

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some of his interviews that I have gone

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way overboard you guys got to remember

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that I've got about three or four heads

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guarantee you in three to four years I'm

275
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okay uh Venus nice place to live

276
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now yeah I know you have trouble with

277
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that I have a lot of trouble with that

278
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because there's a sulfuric acid

279
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atmosphere the surface temperature

280
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no but probes have gone there from other

281
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our country and other countries Russia

282
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specifically and um you don't think we

283
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can back to the information the whole

284
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point of why would we what is the big

285
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secret so what if it's habitable but we

286
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want people to think that we are the

287
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best

288
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whoever runs the show

289
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they want people to think that we are

290
00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:48,000
the only people that couldn't be life on

291
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Mars there couldn't be life do you think

292
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is one of them that lady that shows up

293
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to the UFO organizations

294
00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:01,560
uh I don't know I don't know but what do

295
00:12:04,730 --> 00:12:03,000
you think the surface temperature is on

296
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Venus around the equators it's probably

297
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like Earth

298
00:12:10,009 --> 00:12:08,880
what about the clouds I know you're

299
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going to give me that stuff about the

300
00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:11,880
clouds and I don't know how it works and

301
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like we say we're we're dealing in

302
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opinions you know I don't have any facts

303
00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:17,480
I haven't been there anymore

304
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but that's the famous old Bible so I

305
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come back have you been there no I

306
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haven't been there but either of you and

307
00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:25,680
then you're just taking data that the

308
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government sells you on on what they

309
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okay

310
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and let's jump into it because I know

311
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you're coming up uh atmosphere and water

312
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on the moon yeah in certain places there

313
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is

314
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it was not a great deal but there's

315
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enough to uh do you think there was a

316
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three mile high or 30 mile high Dome

317
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that City inside it's a six mile high

318
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tower and I don't know where there's a

319
00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:54,660
city inside it kind of looks like an

320
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antenna but yeah evidence is pretty good

321
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that it's there

322
00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:00,720
and for those that haven't heard about

323
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it's in the uh Hoagland tape new Mars

324
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connection it's about a three-hour Chase

325
00:13:11,629 --> 00:13:08,339
and he goes through uh Orbiter

326
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um uh Pioneer and a lot of the other uh

327
00:13:17,329 --> 00:13:14,639
data and shows where this Tower is it's

328
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right directly in the center of sinus

329
00:13:23,449 --> 00:13:20,220
Medi and when the moon is full uh it's

330
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so do the uh do the astronauts that

331
00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:27,839
orbited and walk on the moon are they

332
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aware of this and staying quiet yeah

333
00:13:35,050 --> 00:13:33,600
they are and I met had dinner with one

334
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of the four

335
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psychologists that was assigned to the

336
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Apollo Astronauts and they assigned him

337
00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:44,100
a psychologist not so much of the the

338
00:13:47,629 --> 00:13:45,839
weird stuff they saw but the fact that

339
00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:47,639
they couldn't tell the public and that's

340
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what bothered all of the astronauts the

341
00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:51,480
most that's what sent uh Borman

342
00:13:56,090 --> 00:13:54,240
overboard and and a few others they were

343
00:13:57,889 --> 00:13:56,100
really bitter at Nasa for not being able

344
00:13:59,810 --> 00:13:57,899
to uh to tell the truth about what's

345
00:14:01,370 --> 00:13:59,820
going on yeah but strangely enough Edgar

346
00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:01,380
Mitchell the Sixth Man on the Moon came

347
00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:03,420
out here to visit me and he was out

348
00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:04,980
because he was interested in all the UFO

349
00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:06,899
information so on and so forth in fact

350
00:14:10,129 --> 00:14:08,579
even said that all the astronauts have

351
00:14:11,690 --> 00:14:10,139
gotten together and they have kind of a

352
00:14:14,509 --> 00:14:11,700
powerful group that they formed I don't

353
00:14:16,670 --> 00:14:14,519
remember what they called it but um

354
00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:16,680
he didn't mention anything else I'm sure

355
00:14:20,569 --> 00:14:18,420
that during one day needed you he would

356
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:20,579
have told his deepest darkest Secrets

357
00:14:23,930 --> 00:14:22,320
would have between him yeah we pointed

358
00:14:25,730 --> 00:14:23,940
that out to him also so you do have a

359
00:14:28,670 --> 00:14:25,740
good point there

360
00:14:36,009 --> 00:14:30,470
um I gotta look at what I didn't check

361
00:14:40,730 --> 00:14:38,629
and the final questions were done well

362
00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:40,740
John how about says what's your what's

363
00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:42,779
your current view of the big picture I

364
00:14:47,449 --> 00:14:44,820
mean I used to say we've got reptilians

365
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,459
here where you're lying to us about uh

366
00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:50,160
uh you know survivable atmospheres and

367
00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:52,100
temperatures on the near Planet

368
00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:55,260
uh uh what do you think the big picture

369
00:14:59,930 --> 00:14:57,540
is I I can remember you know six seven

370
00:15:02,449 --> 00:14:59,940
years ago not that you were necessarily

371
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:02,459
responsible for it but but UFO

372
00:15:06,110 --> 00:15:04,560
researchers always have something big is

373
00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:06,120
going to happen at the end of this year

374
00:15:10,670 --> 00:15:08,100
nothing big is going to happen that was

375
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:10,680
October 92. said I made the mistake of

376
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,160
making several reasons and so I don't do

377
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,079
that anymore I have no idea what to do

378
00:15:19,610 --> 00:15:18,240
we don't need to put you know predict a

379
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,620
big Invasion I just said what do you

380
00:15:23,569 --> 00:15:21,600
think the statuses of the big picture I

381
00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:23,579
I you know any impending doom or

382
00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:25,560
business as usual the government guys

383
00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:28,320
that I know uh all they can say is the

384
00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:30,120
next five years are going to be very

385
00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:32,940
very interesting you know for the last

386
00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:36,240
10 years 320 is whatever so it just kind

387
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:38,820
of nice to just sit back and watch him

388
00:15:45,949 --> 00:15:44,639
and notice that we know to be real uh uh

389
00:15:48,670 --> 00:15:45,959
you're all I'm talking about this that

390
00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:48,680
you told us I assume that's real

391
00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:51,480
so John what are your thoughts on the

392
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,100
land grab out here in central Nevada

393
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:55,199
everyone made a big deal of it you were

394
00:15:59,810 --> 00:15:57,839
among some of the first you Jim Goodall

395
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,820
Sean Martin Gary Schultz people like

396
00:16:05,930 --> 00:16:02,160
that who climbed up and and viewed down

397
00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:05,940
on Area 51 and and you uh how dare you

398
00:16:09,850 --> 00:16:07,160
mentioned

399
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:09,860
in the company with John Legend

400
00:16:15,650 --> 00:16:12,320
but

401
00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:15,660
uh you know obviously you knew that they

402
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:18,779
were keeping photographic logs of uh you

403
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,639
know the persistent Intruders and that

404
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:22,079
led to the land grab what do you think

405
00:16:25,069 --> 00:16:23,519
about all the people whining about it

406
00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:25,079
when they actually called the land that

407
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:27,720
it was no big deal you know any uh Area

408
00:16:34,189 --> 00:16:30,959
51 is just one of many areas they've got

409
00:16:35,629 --> 00:16:34,199
you know and they were smart to draw the

410
00:16:37,249 --> 00:16:35,639
attention there and get people from

411
00:16:38,689 --> 00:16:37,259
looking at this where other stuff is

412
00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:38,699
going on you want to go ahead and take a

413
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,150
hello Hi how are you doing fellas good

414
00:16:48,009 --> 00:16:46,800
all right seasons greetings

415
00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:48,019
um

416
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,060
you know yes I know you you've been

417
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:53,759
dealing with this for a while and and

418
00:16:58,970 --> 00:16:56,399
your father was different do you have a

419
00:17:03,110 --> 00:16:58,980
lot of experiences when he was you know

420
00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:03,120
going up to go move into that he could

421
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,699
get a lot of experiences between uh

422
00:17:09,549 --> 00:17:07,679
quote gambling crafts or unidentified

423
00:17:12,289 --> 00:17:09,559
flying objects that's a good question

424
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,299
you have a lot of experience my dad and

425
00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:13,919
uh for those of you that aren't familiar

426
00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:15,959
with his background he founded they're

427
00:17:20,809 --> 00:17:18,360
Incorporated uh and with chairman of the

428
00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:20,819
board for 30 years they were a large

429
00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:23,640
supplier of uh components for a military

430
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:27,720
aircraft uh and he's told us in 1960 he

431
00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:30,000
was involved with the government in

432
00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:33,000
anti-gravity research from about 1957 to

433
00:17:38,990 --> 00:17:37,260
about 1960 1960 down in Fort Huachuca uh

434
00:17:40,850 --> 00:17:39,000
and he had had a couple of sightings and

435
00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:40,860
friend there's lots of fringes they had

436
00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:42,780
a couple of sightings it was interesting

437
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,460
now that I look back to people that he

438
00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:46,559
used to bring home when the RL people

439
00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:48,600
that you know were very involved with

440
00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:50,580
the cover cover up General lives Jimmy

441
00:17:55,010 --> 00:17:52,440
Doolittle

442
00:17:56,750 --> 00:17:55,020
um uh several of those guys that used to

443
00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:56,760
be home and he was he was very agency

444
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:58,980
near a lot about it he got a lot of

445
00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:01,620
criticism because he went down I think

446
00:18:07,549 --> 00:18:05,000
it was to Bolivia to sell some uh

447
00:18:09,710 --> 00:18:07,559
aircraft equipment and he was quoted by

448
00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:09,720
the press as saying flying sausages were

449
00:18:14,570 --> 00:18:12,299
real and he got a lot of slack over that

450
00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:14,580
but like I say I used to talk about it

451
00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:16,020
all the time but it didn't interest me

452
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,419
because I'd never seen one and it just I

453
00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:19,919
wasn't interested I was interested in

454
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:22,440
those flying planes he has their 71 and

455
00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:25,440
stuff up too see I have my father was in

456
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:27,900
the airport terminal by 25 years and

457
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:30,720
I've lived here in Las Vegas for roughly

458
00:18:36,970 --> 00:18:34,320
about 22 years 23 years later and um

459
00:18:39,650 --> 00:18:36,980
I've had the experience

460
00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:39,660
when that pairing was really good it

461
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,580
really was not much around there you

462
00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:43,039
know how bad it is

463
00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:53,409
[Music]

464
00:19:00,169 --> 00:18:56,770
the military Hospital

465
00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:00,179
five days and they're you know taking

466
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,940
tests on me and doing what not so let me

467
00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:05,520
find out what happened and I know that

468
00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:07,140
when I came out of it when I came back

469
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,580
to my appeared to come to pick me up

470
00:19:12,409 --> 00:19:10,400
from up there

471
00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:12,419
forgot all about it didn't know anything

472
00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:16,020
about what happened and so it's just

473
00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:18,299
like that I feel to me it feels as the

474
00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:19,799
government wouldn't do something with

475
00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:30,250
[Music]

476
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,350
yeah they have a very good way the

477
00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:35,520
government does of erasing people's

478
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:37,980
memories it's it's very good I talked to

479
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:41,940
uh uh lady a couple of months ago who

480
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,400
was through the Air Force and stationed

481
00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:46,080
at uh Daughter by test range between

482
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:49,080
1970 1981 and her memory for that whole

483
00:19:54,049 --> 00:19:50,700
time is just coming there's nothing

484
00:19:55,490 --> 00:19:54,059
there she has uh you know flashes of

485
00:20:00,730 --> 00:19:55,500
weird stuff going on but no real

486
00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:03,770
no I sure don't I think that's something

487
00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:07,140
we should fire down because the prices

488
00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:09,539
would open up everything that that you

489
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,100
know quote the government particularly

490
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:13,440
fundament you know from the memory you

491
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:15,780
can you can just barely scratch the

492
00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:19,200
surface of of how bad they defeat the

493
00:20:22,850 --> 00:20:21,000
dungeons to perform you to everyone you

494
00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:22,860
know you know it's a shame to see that

495
00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:25,080
spot I love America I would rather be

496
00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:27,900
here than any place in the world but you

497
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:29,100
know it's a shame that there are those

498
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,980
people that are that are here that are

499
00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:33,840
doing these things to America and to

500
00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:36,900
America yeah well uh I agree with you

501
00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:38,700
but I don't think there's much hope if

502
00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:41,580
uh ever bringing this down that's like

503
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,160
that's like finding who's the person you

504
00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:46,080
know or at least bringing the person who

505
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:48,360
really killed Kennedy the justice

506
00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:12,230
[Music]

507
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:38,020
foreign

508
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:55,270
[Music]

509
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,409
I think the Curious thing about this

510
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,760
recruiter film is the very what is it

511
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:01,380
seven seconds or whatever you generally

512
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:04,260
get to see and and all of the shots

513
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:06,360
before the president got there uh all

514
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,580
the shots of the grafting and all of of

515
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,559
everywhere just general area shots

516
00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:12,840
someone has that somewhere it included

517
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:14,100
all of that on the film and that's what

518
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,679
well what was that photographed do we

519
00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:18,720
know that well yeah there was the fruit

520
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,240
or film taken before the little clip UIC

521
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,280
off the grass you know and around the

522
00:22:27,549 --> 00:22:25,440
general area I think I saw that on arts

523
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:27,559
and entertainment yeah yeah

524
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:29,460
I didn't know that was like three

525
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:31,860
photographs yeah I thought I saw the

526
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:33,900
letter we were talking about too but the

527
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:35,159
driver

528
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,340
um bill was his name and I know his last

529
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,320
name and stuff like that but he was dead

530
00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:43,200
now and I mean like I said it wouldn't

531
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:45,059
make a difference now because he's not

532
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,740
going to be going there he's not going

533
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:48,600
to brought the trial and see that I

534
00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:49,740
thought he was alive I'm living in

535
00:22:54,730 --> 00:22:50,470
Georgia or something

536
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:58,570
uh since 91 1991 I think

537
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,919
seriously from what I've heard okay well

538
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,360
thanks for the call and thank you for

539
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:05,580
taking the time and I sure hope to hear

540
00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:07,380
you guys so again maybe they can extend

541
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:16,789
they're advertising to you guys

542
00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:18,539
correctly I think they're just like well

543
00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:20,580
that's kind of our fault we really don't

544
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,760
even feel like going down

545
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,960
it's a casual thing but thanks for the

546
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,000
call thanks for calling and maybe you

547
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,559
guys never sleep on the Rudolph of the

548
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,539
post navel drip all right I hate that

549
00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:33,120
when that happened okay thanks all right

550
00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:36,539
bye-bye I miss that what's the

551
00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:37,580
difference

552
00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:39,480
if you'd like to give us a call on

553
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,280
number

554
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,720
731-1230 and if you're on a cell phone

555
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:44,880
you can hit star 12 30 if you'd like to

556
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:47,820
ask John layer Bob Lazar or uh any of us

557
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,940
any questions John uh you you know

558
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,919
you're from one of a central Hub you're

559
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,900
you're a high profile guy and a lot of

560
00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:56,820
people approached you to tell you

561
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,980
stories about being abducted and you

562
00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:00,840
know I I know that a lot of people even

563
00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:02,940
approached you that work at Nellis Air

564
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:05,340
Force Base and other places I can I

565
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:07,080
presume that you conclude by now that

566
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:09,000
not all of these people can be crazy and

567
00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:10,140
not all of them are searching for

568
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,700
attention I mean yeah

569
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:14,220
you've seen a number of people what

570
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,780
about if we get asked all the time about

571
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,059
whatever happened to John Grace the guy

572
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,460
that wrote those uh Vladimir Valeria

573
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,440
Valerian whatever Vladimir moved to

574
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,200
Oregon and uh he has a real nice uh

575
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:28,020
business going he still writes that what

576
00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:29,700
I forget what the name of his magazine

577
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:32,760
was but uh he's doing well what did he

578
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:33,900
do for an ALICE didn't he work for

579
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,600
Nellis yeah he was a tech sergeant and

580
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,000
uh he worked in I'm trying to think it's

581
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:41,039
been so long ago I was over to his

582
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:43,260
office a couple times huh

583
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:44,940
yeah

584
00:24:50,049 --> 00:24:48,900
well how about the area 51 report

585
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,059
oh

586
00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:52,559
one report this is going to be a weekly

587
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,360
thing but why there's so much stuff

588
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,400
going on first of all up at room we have

589
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,080
two new proof of Concepts ready to fly

590
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:00,000
one will fly next week and the other

591
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:02,520
around March and both are very very fast

592
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,740
and remember that helicopter we built

593
00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:06,240
about 10 years ago that could carry

594
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,179
around 250 troops now we have one that

595
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:12,120
can carry 600 fully armed combat related

596
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,000
troops and over at Sandia they have that

597
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:16,799
remember Sandy's that you're basically

598
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:19,140
built over there in pione Mesa they have

599
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,940
a new computer that is a billion times

600
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,860
faster than the past week in commercial

601
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:26,159
use today hey do you know who invented

602
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:27,299
the internet

603
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:29,460
he was DARPA the defense Advanced

604
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,080
research projects agency and they did it

605
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:34,080
in 1967. what they first saw was the

606
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:35,700
exponential use of the personal computer

607
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:38,279
and saw the internet as a direct way

608
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,960
into homes hearts and minds of the

609
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:42,419
public this computer up at bandia can

610
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,179
track what anybody ever wrote or is fed

611
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:47,760
or aware of if anybody ever went on the

612
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,340
internet with their PC and not only that

613
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,620
whether your PC is on or not they can

614
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:54,480
access your hard drive anytime they want

615
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:58,020
and hey what's going on at tonopire we

616
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,580
have the new counter Insurgency airplane

617
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,580
that's being used out at Aviano in the

618
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,279
Bosnian conflict the security is so tied

619
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,679
up at the TTR but now they have three

620
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,600
senses instead of one and the entire

621
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,760
support team which consists of about 350

622
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:13,799
people are ability to ride out the

623
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:15,419
flight line instead of back down at the

624
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,360
gate like when the F-117 came out and

625
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:20,700
speaking of the 117a whatever happened

626
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:23,940
to the f-19 the s19 went down the Skunk

627
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,039
Works assembly line right next to the

628
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,400
117 used this game game engines 404s but

629
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,380
was a Navy bird and was a Batwing type

630
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:33,659
aircraft they made about 60 of them it

631
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,820
turns out that the f-117a was just a

632
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,340
cover for this other eye attacker and

633
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:40,140
whoa what's flying out of the Northern

634
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,840
Nevada secret facilities it's black and

635
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,360
it's fast so all you can see at night is

636
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:47,640
a contrail which looks like a green neon

637
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:50,039
tube about a mile long they've been

638
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:51,480
doing some low altitude work around

639
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,360
Idaho between midnight and 4 a.m that

640
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:56,220
dude really gets along about four or

641
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:57,539
five thousand miles an hour at low

642
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,419
altitude and flying saucers apparently

643
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:02,220
the aliens can't fly any better now than

644
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,620
they could in 1947 because we recovered

645
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,240
two of them in the past year right here

646
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,580
in Nevada one came down between the dam

647
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:10,559
and Kingman about a month or so ago and

648
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:13,020
one in Northern Nevada last year and

649
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:14,940
that's it for the test site update for

650
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:18,059
Friday December 22nd 1995. this is John

651
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:19,980
Lear and Barbizon wishing all of you at

652
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:21,419
deck one and hey don't want to forget

653
00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:23,400
you guys over at station nine a very

654
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,190
[Music]

655
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:36,289
um

656
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:38,790
let me see that little sheet of paper

657
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:41,720
[Music]

658
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,419
thank you they can access your hard

659
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,940
drive in a PC whether or not your

660
00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:50,000
computer's on yeah

661
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,580
about as hard as you can get

662
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,659
exactly how would they manage your feet

663
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:55,919
like that

664
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:58,020
uh well I don't know what's that aside

665
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:59,400
from them coming over and turning it on

666
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:01,380
all I'm telling you is the uh you know

667
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:03,299
what I uh what I heard

668
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:06,980
from where did you hear that Phil Cooper

669
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:09,419
good old Bill he takes a lot of plaques

670
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,640
like you know we we named the disease

671
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,740
that Bill Cooper got that as many of us

672
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,960
got was called the UFO disease right and

673
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:17,880
the UFO disease when you start out in

674
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:20,460
this business and and uh you hear you

675
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:22,020
know and see some stuff that really

676
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,539
happens real real but uh you start

677
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,360
adding on to it and and like Billy just

678
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,159
he just got too far out he started

679
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:31,760
taking stuff that I had in my files

680
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,860
yeah and that's my favorite story in

681
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,720
fact maybe you should you know please

682
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:38,159
our audience and tell them the story

683
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,580
about oh Krill uh that oh Krill was a

684
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:43,860
name of you and John Gray said had given

685
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,240
to yeah for the people that don't know

686
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,700
who which Krill was that uh John Grace

687
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:49,620
who then worked for the air force uh

688
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:52,620
wrote A Treatise or something on aliens

689
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:54,419
that he wanted to talk the public should

690
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,740
know and I forget what it was all about

691
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:57,840
but he didn't want to put his name so he

692
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,179
said well why can we uh whose name can

693
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,919
we use and I said well you know the Navy

694
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,440
had an incident

695
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:07,679
um that they supposedly contacted an

696
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:09,960
alien in the late 50s and the name was

697
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:14,760
Krill C or k-r-l-l-l why don't we call

698
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:17,940
uh this guy Krill k-r-i-l-l and it'll be

699
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,039
just kind of an inside joke and so John

700
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:22,080
says okay and how about some initials

701
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:23,640
and I said I don't know pick one he said

702
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,000
all o h so then uh John stood for only

703
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:29,279
hostage or something original hostage

704
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:31,320
yeah well that wasn't our antenna those

705
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,760
and it was just picked out of things oh

706
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:34,980
was it okay then when Bill Cooper got a

707
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,320
hold of his story uh he had seen that in

708
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:39,539
in the Navy and the 08 stood for

709
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:41,340
original hostage and we just picked

710
00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:43,799
those initials yeah and then he had read

711
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:45,799
that all reports

712
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:48,840
so about this uh flying disc that they

713
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:52,440
what it there was an an alien piloted

714
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:54,360
flying disc that crashed between Boulder

715
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:56,279
Dam and Kingman and melasma supposedly

716
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,100
that's it and uh what was it able to fly

717
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,720
away or did someone have to go pick it

718
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:03,299
up no supposedly there was some stage

719
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:06,899
the chemical accident or Road accident

720
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:08,760
or something where people were diverted

721
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,940
from the dam for a day or so so that

722
00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:13,679
they could recover that oh that's what

723
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:16,760
that story was behind that spilled on it

724
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:19,500
well they did close I remember in the in

725
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,240
recent months they did close the demo

726
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,120
somebody told me that and I remember

727
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,200
Laughlin and church sliders I remember

728
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,600
that there was an accident with with uh

729
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,399
some Taiwanese or something but I didn't

730
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,140
remember Phil when the guy told me this

731
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:34,080
garage trying to think I didn't remember

732
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,700
now where was the other grass you said

733
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,640
there were two of them supposedly oh and

734
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,620
and why do you think it is that these

735
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,720
things uh crashed especially if I'm

736
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,880
presuming these are are capable of

737
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:46,500
interstellar travel or are they some

738
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,940
type of scout ships out of a Mothership

739
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:49,799
I'm just curious as to why they would be

740
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,179
able to fly in from another star system

741
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:53,760
and then crash so routinely

742
00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:55,980
that question is asked a lot you know a

743
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,529
boy I don't know

744
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,399
so it's so hard for me to digest this I

745
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,220
mean I can understand well I'm not even

746
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,720
going to start a fight

747
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:15,840
so are you uh go ahead we'll start it

748
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,830
so have you uh have you been walking

749
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:23,700
back into the general UFO Community I

750
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,799
remember it wasn't in the early 90s that

751
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:27,480
they tried to ban you from the mufan

752
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:35,149
quick move on and uh I hosted the muffin

753
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:37,880
convention here in 1989 I guess it was

754
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:41,159
and uh it was it was it was a real

755
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:44,580
popular but uh I kind of was disinvited

756
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,159
I couldn't speak at my own uh uh hosted

757
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:50,340
convention and I did a little talk in

758
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,059
all 291-92 but it cost me two good jobs

759
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,600
so I quit talking about you opposed at

760
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,640
all the the one job was American Trans

761
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:01,860
Air was the captain there for uh six

762
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:04,260
years and they hauled me in one day and

763
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,820
they said you don't actually believe in

764
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:07,500
flying sausage Duty and I said well yeah

765
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,700
as a matter of fact they do and they

766
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,320
said well we can't have anybody working

767
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,080
here flying passengers and believes that

768
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,299
so I lost that one then the next one I

769
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,520
had was uh with orbital sciences and

770
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:20,460
horrible Sciences operates CL 1011 that

771
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:23,460
carries the Pegasus rocket that uh that

772
00:32:29,389 --> 00:32:27,240
launches payloads uh into uh space and

773
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,399
uh I was hired as a project pilot and

774
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:31,620
the senior project manager called me up

775
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:33,179
one day and said John we applied for

776
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,440
your clearance and I don't know what

777
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:36,600
you've done but neither the U.S Air

778
00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:39,240
Force or NASA uh wants you on this

779
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:41,159
program so that was the second chance so

780
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,380
I kind of lie pretty low man

781
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:45,120
you don't need to pay those bills

782
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,500
absolutely

783
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,659
um so listen let's you've been around

784
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,179
certainly involved with ufology as long

785
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:53,220
as just about anyone you've seen the

786
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,820
personalities uh evolve unfold and even

787
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,860
change so maybe we could go down the

788
00:33:03,169 --> 00:33:01,500
line here and here's some gossip and uh

789
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:03,179
exactly what your thoughts are on these

790
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,860
people how they started off and what

791
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:06,480
their stance is now friends let's start

792
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:08,760
off with Stanton Friedman my buddy Stan

793
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,460
obviously Stanton Friedman did a lot of

794
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,140
good things

795
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:16,080
um uh he went to bat certainly believed

796
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:17,820
that the Earth is being visited by life

797
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,519
from elsewhere uh specializes in the

798
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,260
old-fashioned Mouton stuff here's some

799
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:23,760
crosstalk Freedom of Information Act

800
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,519
documents blah blah blah in recent days

801
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:28,019
on the internet I've seen a lot of

802
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,659
criticism of Friedman that uh out

803
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:32,399
somewhere he won't answer questions for

804
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,140
people unless they buy one of his books

805
00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:36,419
and and he signs it and and people have

806
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,279
attributed some sort of a change in his

807
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:40,919
personality have you seen that uh yeah I

808
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,320
haven't talked to Stan in many years I

809
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:45,899
all right I really thought he did a good

810
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:48,840
job as far as he went what turned me off

811
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:52,500
to Stan Friedman is that when Bob came

812
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,179
out and talked about working at the test

813
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,240
site and Stanton was in town just about

814
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:59,039
the time this is all going on up at my

815
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:00,899
house and he didn't even make the

816
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,480
slightest you know request to meet Bob

817
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:05,820
or talk to him and I wanted here's the

818
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:08,220
supposed Premier UFO researcher of the

819
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,020
century and he doesn't want to talk

820
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,419
about it so it kind of turned me off to

821
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,679
Stan okay you want to go ahead and take

822
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,780
another call sure let's go ahead go

823
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,520
ahead you're on UFO line yes good

824
00:34:22,329 --> 00:34:20,159
evening John good evening Bob is Gene up

825
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,339
there yes well good evening good evening

826
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:24,899
greetings from the village Goodman

827
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:29,339
happening uh foreign I'm not there but

828
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:32,040
uh Billy's going to be listening to this

829
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:33,419
tape shortly

830
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:36,060
well how you doing Billy right actually

831
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:37,740
the reason we decided to do this show is

832
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,179
we missed the old Billy Goodman show

833
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,940
here in town and uh and tried to get

834
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:44,220
some late night talk going while you're

835
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:46,200
doing an exceptional job and I'm glad

836
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,260
that uh you know about the last time

837
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,560
that you spoke on the air was on The

838
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:53,940
Happening as far as I know remember

839
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,060
probably so probably so yeah yeah the

840
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:59,099
old Vegas World right yeah that's right

841
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,140
all right yeah we had an afternoon show

842
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:03,720
there for us for a short time

843
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,020
so I just wanted to give you my garden

844
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:09,060
is Billy doing a UF is a scientific

845
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,150
oh no he's still up there uh three to

846
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,760
five or no three to six every afternoon

847
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:21,960
five days a week

848
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,320
what wsuv out of Connecticut actually is

849
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:27,420
where the uh station is at right now

850
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,460
well Billy's a great host and he was

851
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,960
always a good time and I people

852
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,240
criticized him because he let anything

853
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,640
go but you know that that provided for a

854
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:37,320
fun show that he didn't pass judgment on

855
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:39,000
everyone like we're just getting ready

856
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,300
to do right now well John the last time

857
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,940
I saw you was over there at uh

858
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:47,160
yeah I remember that and uh of course

859
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,079
Bob came out that night and it was nice

860
00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:51,119
not willingly of course no of course not

861
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,579
willingly but at least it was nice to

862
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:54,960
see you both together

863
00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:57,540
so uh Merry Christmas and seasons

864
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:59,220
greetings to you and everyone else all

865
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,540
right thanks for the call say hi to

866
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,880
Billy for us okay I will okay he'll hear

867
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,800
this okay right

868
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:06,960
and I did want to tell you uh recover

869
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:09,180
one thing uh if you guys told you both

870
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:12,119
as uh south of town here and meeting a

871
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,099
guy on some business and this guy grew

872
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:15,599
up in New Mexico which is about 60 miles

873
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:18,420
north of Farmington about 70 years old

874
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,859
and we get to talk and we're talking

875
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,020
about you know something totally

876
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:25,619
unrelated with UFOs and in the

877
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,440
conversation he said that he was a a

878
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,720
roughneck on a uh for a wardrobe Trail

879
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,060
passing natural gas and he started

880
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,280
talking about seeing this thing land and

881
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:36,960
I said what year was that and he said

882
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:40,380
1948 he starts talking about a disc and

883
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,180
I realized I'm talking to one of the

884
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,000
only guys that's ever come forward uh

885
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,940
that was at the crash at Aztec now you

886
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:49,200
know the bills Diamond wrote the book

887
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:51,240
price at Aztec and it's been uh

888
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:53,579
thoroughly discredited by Bill Moore and

889
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:55,140
all those guys but there is a lot of

890
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,960
good information and I always believed

891
00:37:02,810 --> 00:36:59,760
it to be real but I never met anybody

892
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:02,820
who actually saw it this guy was one of

893
00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:05,160
five workers at El Paso Natural Gas us

894
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:06,780
that we're standing there in hard Canyon

895
00:37:10,569 --> 00:37:09,300
when this thing crashed it was 110

896
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:10,579
diameter

897
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:13,380
it had a small hole in one of the

898
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,720
windows that they could peek in and see

899
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:17,460
there was four aliens on the main deck

900
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,260
and apparently there was some on a lower

901
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:21,420
deck and they were there for five hours

902
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:23,099
before the military got there and

903
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,740
rounded them up and uh and swarmed the

904
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,300
secrecy and all that and this guy's

905
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,460
never told anybody this story in all

906
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:31,560
these years he's 70 years old now but it

907
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:33,300
was pretty interesting I went oh I

908
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,420
talked to him first uh and I tried to

909
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:38,400
see if maybe he'd read Bill's Diamond's

910
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:39,900
book but no he hadn't so I went home and

911
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:42,359
got the book and brought it back and he

912
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,800
read it for a couple days and then I

913
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:45,240
came back and interviewed him and he

914
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:46,980
there's of course there's some maps and

915
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,900
drawings in Bill's Diamond's book and he

916
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,599
told me what was true and what was false

917
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:54,660
there was a picture of a pole being

918
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:57,480
poked through uh this hole in the window

919
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,079
to catch the latch and open the door and

920
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:02,880
he said the poll in the book is much too

921
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:04,500
big it was a thin rod that came off one

922
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,780
of them building trucks with El Paso

923
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:09,480
natural gas they also also in Bill

924
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,099
Stein's book it said helicopters came

925
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:12,480
there and he said when I was there there

926
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:15,300
was no helicopters but he said it was uh

927
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:16,619
it was really an interesting experience

928
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:18,420
that he never told anybody about it and

929
00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:20,579
it was kind of neat to uh to meet the

930
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,440
guy how was that covered up

931
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,660
I mean selling 100 feet in diameter I

932
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,400
imagine people saw that inbound and so

933
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,380
on and so forth so they must have had a

934
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:30,780
cover story it was such a remote area I

935
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,520
mean nobody there weren't that many

936
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:34,380
people around there this was just you

937
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,359
know an Aztec New Mexico yeah I'm not

938
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:38,160
familiar with where that is well it's

939
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,680
east of Farmington and it's uh it's a

940
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:42,720
very desolate area Farmington if I

941
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:44,099
remember is almost on the edge of the

942
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:46,020
state the police chief was one of the

943
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,460
guys that was there uh and they briefed

944
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,040
him on secrecy he was later given a job

945
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:56,880
in Long Beach as a police uh Chief there

946
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,500
for 20 years then moved back to

947
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,960
Farmington and uh Bill Steinman

948
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,000
interviewed him and he just refused to

949
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,040
talk about you know just even refuse to

950
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:08,040
to discuss the incident said that brings

951
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:21,349
okay

952
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:24,170
what are your your current views on that

953
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,560
do you still think that there is an

954
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:27,599
underground base in Dulce yeah you know

955
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,859
what story I'm referring to absolutely

956
00:39:34,690 --> 00:39:30,660
the guy that got out of there and the

957
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,700
Vats of amber colored liquids uh

958
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,260
why you know that there have been plenty

959
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,599
of people gone up there snooping around

960
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,520
oh yeah and there's no signs there

961
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:43,619
saying secret underground bays and the

962
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,180
Indians no of course not but I mean

963
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:47,280
they've you know covered the mountains I

964
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,339
mean these guys were UFO enthusiasts

965
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,839
like yourself and they were you know it

966
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,460
would have been more than happy to more

967
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,960
than happy to find anything I mean they

968
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,640
didn't find any event any even ground

969
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,680
disturbances did you see any of this any

970
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:01,140
of the work that Jim gelatosa did no

971
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:04,380
well he he spent six weeks there with

972
00:40:10,849 --> 00:40:07,619
real sensitive uh monitors recording

973
00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:10,859
monitors and they wanted all all kinds

974
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,720
of

975
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:14,400
uh Power and stuff being generated

976
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:16,820
around there you know it's been

977
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:19,260
electromagnetic emissions it does yeah

978
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:20,700
and it's been four or five years since

979
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,720
they talked about these so I don't have

980
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,400
a lot of this stuff over off the top of

981
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,980
my hand but uh it was a it was a very

982
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:28,240
good videotape it's fun

983
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:39,650
but I think he called it section B

984
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,880
m what about uh the guy from Los Alamos

985
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,980
whose name I can't remember either my

986
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:48,960
memory is so fantastic

987
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:52,320
the guy we both know oh yeah yeah I

988
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:53,940
think we better not mention his game

989
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,180
because he works up at testing so

990
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,720
what made his name Tom yeah we called

991
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,359
him poufon or something yeah I know

992
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:05,820
wasn't he a preacher yeah yeah because

993
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:07,320
you started insulting Jesus and

994
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:10,520
everything and then uh yeah

995
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:14,040
okay John you you brought Bill Moore

996
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,619
before and uh Bill Moore always seems to

997
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,140
take it personally upon himself uh even

998
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,119
if it's transparent to try and discredit

999
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:23,040
anything that he is not sponsored or

1000
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,079
anything he has not approved yet I

1001
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:26,880
remember George Knapp and I met with him

1002
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,099
a few years ago when he came up here and

1003
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,500
and uh Moore said that he didn't believe

1004
00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:34,079
Bob is our story but

1005
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:36,320
he had some information that actually

1006
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:39,480
there were there was an alien settlement

1007
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,339
out in central Nevada before the white

1008
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,680
man moved West and we made jokes about

1009
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:45,359
how surprised the Pioneers must have

1010
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,980
been when I came right over the wagon

1011
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:49,020
like a Twilight Zone episode and there

1012
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:50,700
was a flying disc space there but what

1013
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,320
do you think Bill Moore is up to Why do

1014
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:55,200
you think he feels compelled to try and

1015
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,960
squelch anything that that surfaces that

1016
00:42:01,490 --> 00:42:00,060
he is not sponsored I think it goes back

1017
00:42:02,930 --> 00:42:01,500
to the cover-up where everybody thinks

1018
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,940
the Air Force is in charge they're not

1019
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:04,560
it was the Navy the Navy's always been

1020
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:06,540
in charge of the uh cover-up and they

1021
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:08,940
use the Air Force as a Whipping Boy now

1022
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:11,700
the air force uh when Bill Moore got

1023
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,820
hooked up with was afosi uh the airport

1024
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:16,260
Air Force officer's special

1025
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,880
investigations and what they were trying

1026
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:19,859
about they themselves want to know what

1027
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,339
was going on uh so they enlisted Bill to

1028
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,960
pass around you know some good

1029
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:26,760
information some disinformation to Fair

1030
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,820
it out uh the truth and I think he got

1031
00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:32,220
mixed up with AFA afosi and they don't

1032
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,760
know what's going on what was the the

1033
00:42:39,849 --> 00:42:36,900
disinformation that bill more spurred

1034
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:39,859
around uh he claims to have

1035
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:42,780
fabricated the Benoit steel and Dolce

1036
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:44,520
and there's a bunch of others too

1037
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:47,339
fabricated the benoits deal yeah

1038
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:49,020
he was the one that supposedly fed

1039
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,160
benowitz the information on Dolce okay

1040
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:56,220
so um as we March down the UFO gossip

1041
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:57,960
list now what do you think of Linda Howe

1042
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,359
I thought I think a strange Harvest

1043
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:01,920
still stands when did it came out in

1044
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:04,619
1979 or 1980 that was very good and it

1045
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,060
was a great film and it was down to

1046
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,099
earth and and lately she's been called

1047
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,900
every name in the book because she has

1048
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,880
gotten UFO researchers syndrome and

1049
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,460
spread out and now she speaks her mind

1050
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:16,920
on crop circles and numerous other areas

1051
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:18,660
is pretty much a correspondent do you

1052
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:21,720
think that that Linda has degenerated or

1053
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,579
deteriorated is incredible info I

1054
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,200
haven't heard what Linda said in the

1055
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:28,560
past year a big deal about uh an

1056
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:30,180
asteroid running into the Earth yeah I

1057
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:31,500
remember that was about four because

1058
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,700
that's when we started goner chicken

1059
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:35,339
yeah on the internet I read uh that she

1060
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,099
was on the some other radio show here in

1061
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:41,040
town and uh played an audio tape of a

1062
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,180
crowd of people running from Bigfoot

1063
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,319
you know it happened oh that's right

1064
00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:48,720
she's on uh it's shown that other uh our

1065
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,579
Bell shows I don't know I've never heard

1066
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,440
it but I just see people talking about

1067
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:54,839
it on the internet and then that's yeah

1068
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:56,819
I haven't heard but but strange Harvest

1069
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:00,359
both the book and the uh gotten after

1070
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,180
and and

1071
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,920
criticized and this guy comes on Bill

1072
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,680
Cooper Bernie says I can't vouch for all

1073
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,200
of us here says but I can vouch for 50

1074
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,780
of what he says because I saw him in the

1075
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,359
Navy so I got invited Bill up and I

1076
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:17,339
talked to him he said yeah I worked in

1077
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:19,800
an office of Pearl Harbor and he said I

1078
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:23,880
was uh the uh to help the briefing team

1079
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:25,859
get out the projected out later he

1080
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:27,480
became part of the briefing team but all

1081
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:28,980
he was was the guys that brought the

1082
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:32,339
projector and he said he had keys to the

1083
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,020
faith and he recruit at night and read

1084
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:36,359
these documents and that's you know

1085
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:38,099
where he originally came up with in one

1086
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,500
of his stuff so we talked for a while

1087
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,839
and unfortunately I think I contributed

1088
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:44,460
to his downfall because I gave him

1089
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:47,460
copies of all my research stuff that I

1090
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:50,460
had collected and pretty soon he may be

1091
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,020
a month or two later not only could he

1092
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,540
Dodge the uh 50 percent of what I said

1093
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,640
you could now buy for a hundred and

1094
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,200
fifty percent

1095
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,480
and uh it just went from there it just

1096
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:03,060
got so far out that um it was ridiculous

1097
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:04,260
but Bill

1098
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:06,660
burnout and he honestly did see those

1099
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,480
papers in the Navy well I if I remember

1100
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:11,579
correctly amongst those favors he said

1101
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,280
he saw documents about this that the

1102
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:15,839
military was actually involved in the

1103
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,819
Kennedy assassination now they may have

1104
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,800
better got involved but I find it

1105
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,300
difficult to believe that there would be

1106
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:24,180
any hard copy alluding to that laying

1107
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,339
around that a chief petty officer could

1108
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,200
get in and read don't you find that hard

1109
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:30,480
to believe uh yeah but as he told me the

1110
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:32,220
story he had the keys to save for all

1111
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,380
his shoes and I think I think the

1112
00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:36,000
Kennedy thing was one of the things that

1113
00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:38,180
we vouch for before

1114
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,619
all this stress the information that

1115
00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:42,839
makes open and I am sitting here with

1116
00:45:48,970 --> 00:45:44,780
dear imposters

1117
00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:48,980
you guys are never this nice out there

1118
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:53,000
listen we got to talk about drugs

1119
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:55,859
so Vancouver was the assistant to the

1120
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,960
commander of the Pacific Fleet do I

1121
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,940
remember that question no it's been 16

1122
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:01,740
years since I talked about that the

1123
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,020
first time Cooper said anything or the

1124
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:06,180
only thing I ever heard him say directly

1125
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,660
was it your house John and and the only

1126
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:12,119
thing he had claimed at that time was

1127
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,540
that he was on a ship and saw a UFO come

1128
00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:18,000
out of the water tumbling into the sky

1129
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,339
and that and that was it and later it

1130
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,839
came summer was back down in the water

1131
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:24,240
and two years later that object had

1132
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:26,099
become the size of two aircraft carriers

1133
00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:27,300
right

1134
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:35,030
let's see who else did we go asking

1135
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,839
about let's get analyst Tim's good I

1136
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,400
have not I've never heard anyone say

1137
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:40,319
anything bad about Tim good he's a John

1138
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:43,500
will say something because Tim grid was

1139
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,060
was a good friend I saw him a couple

1140
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,460
times in England he came out here I

1141
00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:49,319
drove him up to the Trust Bank with his

1142
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:52,940
girlfriend who smoked in the bathroom

1143
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,880
and uh you know Jordan's Hospitality

1144
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:58,980
when he wrote that book he he wrote two

1145
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:01,319
things it was really dishonest he said

1146
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,500
uh John private that he admitted to me

1147
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:06,300
that two of his sources have turned out

1148
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:08,940
to be bogus and I said you know who

1149
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:11,460
would those two sources be uh Jim and he

1150
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,099
said well one is Bill Dubai Cooper was

1151
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,920
never my source I was your Source you

1152
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,540
know and the other one was uh he said

1153
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,579
benoits and I said I never thought that

1154
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,380
pen works as well I always thought that

1155
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,839
balance was crank about the stuffies you

1156
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,700
talked about it so he promised to

1157
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:28,440
retract in his next his next book he

1158
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:29,700
never did so

1159
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,859
I'm still a little like kicked off at

1160
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:32,720
dinner

1161
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:35,940
so what do you think of the uh the push

1162
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:38,460
nowadays you know they had the uh the

1163
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:40,740
budget office investigating the Roswell

1164
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,040
crash and it seems to me that that the

1165
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:46,079
uh opponents of the Roswell crash are a

1166
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:47,700
lot more vociferous nowadays now that

1167
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:50,460
Jeffy Marcella said they walk on his

1168
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:51,900
grave they act like he's an idiot

1169
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,859
they're more on it he wouldn't have

1170
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:54,300
known what was going on I'm specifically

1171
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:56,760
speaking of the project Mogul balloon

1172
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:58,980
thing uh story uh don't you think that

1173
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,300
they're going way overboard and trying

1174
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:01,920
to discredibly ourselves and

1175
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,220
intelligence yeah but the thing is and

1176
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,960
and the year I go making another

1177
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,940
prediction I don't think we're ever

1178
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:10,920
gonna know the truth I I don't think

1179
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:13,740
it's in the cards ever uh every once in

1180
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,540
a while here uh like I just heard the

1181
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,640
other day oh yeah April 8th was going to

1182
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,839
be it they're going to start releasing

1183
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,180
information I don't think that they ever

1184
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,800
intend to tell anybody because the

1185
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,780
problem is the first little bit of

1186
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:27,119
information will lead to more I mean

1187
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:28,260
people are going to want to know more

1188
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:29,579
and more and they can't tell them all

1189
00:48:34,250 --> 00:48:32,520
those Joy and and why is that what do

1190
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,260
you think that it's the the top two or

1191
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:37,200
three determining factors are I mean I I

1192
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,260
think we're Beyond uh the point where

1193
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,240
they think people will go crazy I think

1194
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:43,800
that doesn't do that it has to do with

1195
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,440
religion and the fact is that religion

1196
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,660
is the fabric that holds Society

1197
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:51,359
together people fear of God fear that if

1198
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:52,500
you do something bad there will be

1199
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:54,359
retribution

1200
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,540
um if you were to uh remove this

1201
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:00,839
religious Factor uh they think that

1202
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:03,420
society would start breaking down

1203
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,140
um

1204
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:07,079
if the first thing comes out like oh yes

1205
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,720
we we uh we recovery processaries from

1206
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:12,180
somewhere but we don't know where people

1207
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:13,980
are going to start you know or

1208
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:17,160
questioning whether God is real that

1209
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,660
kind of thing and I think that's what

1210
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,700
they don't want to do I don't know if

1211
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,119
that if that would be the case

1212
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:25,619
with Dad made the aliens too I always

1213
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,180
concerned that you followed you and

1214
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:30,000
theology Glide head on and the bottom

1215
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,980
line is that no one can be elected

1216
00:49:35,170 --> 00:49:33,839
president of the United States if they

1217
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:35,180
say they don't believe in the

1218
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:37,800
stereotypical Christian judeo God is

1219
00:49:42,910 --> 00:49:40,680
present God we trust on our money and so

1220
00:49:45,490 --> 00:49:42,920
you remember when that was put on no no

1221
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,500
1962. oh really yeah

1222
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:47,880
uh I wasn't old enough to have any money

1223
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:49,740
out there his head right

1224
00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:51,240
what did you say oh it said silver

1225
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:52,180
certificate

1226
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:54,740
[Music]

1227
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,520
right and uh so anyway I think that's

1228
00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:01,380
the battle no one wants to wage I mean

1229
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,819
there's no sense I think the real

1230
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,380
question is when we see someone like

1231
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,599
George Bush or Bill Clinton I don't know

1232
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,160
who knows what when we see them go to

1233
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:10,440
church on television I'm curious if

1234
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:11,880
that's just for show and they're playing

1235
00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:13,859
to the Bible yeah it would be really

1236
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:14,620
interesting

1237
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:23,920
let me show you this picture of uh

1238
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:26,300
[Music]

1239
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:28,560
just sent it to me and I got it for

1240
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:29,700
Christmas and this was taken in

1241
00:50:34,930 --> 00:50:32,819
September of 1965. and these are the two

1242
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:34,940
eight twelve hangers and this is the

1243
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:37,380
yf-12 hanger and this was the supported

1244
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,859
that they had f101bs and f-104s chasing

1245
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,480
me uh they are playing between the test

1246
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:44,880
program these are the u2s hangers right

1247
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,859
here and that's maintenance and this is

1248
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:48,900
the old Doom Lake control tower see that

1249
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,579
little bitty thing right there and that

1250
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,020
was the fire station right next to him

1251
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:54,359
those are the barracks and back further

1252
00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:56,520
that way uh they call Baja and that's

1253
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,119
where they kept the uh the eight um a12s

1254
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:01,920
I mean I forget what's the difference

1255
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:04,859
between the ys12 and the SR-71 it wasn't

1256
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,040
one it was the nose right yeah the n12

1257
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,619
was the was the CIA version and that was

1258
00:51:14,569 --> 00:51:12,720
a single place one and then when the Air

1259
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,579
Force when Zach found out that the CIA

1260
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,319
was flying rooms biplane they went to

1261
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,480
the Pentagon say hey this can't happen

1262
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:20,640
we're supposed to fly expire Mission so

1263
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,240
they ran locking down a proof of concept

1264
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,220
which is a two-place a12 which between

1265
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:28,319
the yf-12a and they built three of those

1266
00:51:34,030 --> 00:51:32,700
and then they built about the 35 sr-71s

1267
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:34,040
in the Air Force Through It On

1268
00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:36,540
unbeknownst to the Air Force the CIA

1269
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,410
[Music]

1270
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,880
hi uh I called in last week and I just

1271
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,200
heard you guys talking about the uh

1272
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,440
yf-12 and SR-71 differences one thing

1273
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,180
I'd like to point out on the air that

1274
00:52:01,809 --> 00:51:59,400
I've never heard anyone really discuss a

1275
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:01,819
lot about these aircraft is that the

1276
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:06,359
yf-12a carries four Hughes long range

1277
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:11,040
nuclear tipped missiles and uh the the

1278
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,540
Air Force was constantly trying to

1279
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:14,000
justify this

1280
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,260
in front of Congress

1281
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,839
and my theory has always been this

1282
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:20,640
aircraft was specifically designed to

1283
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,839
intercept UFOs at high altitudes and the

1284
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,119
reason for this is because of the pulse

1285
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,460
Doppler radar system that that aircraft

1286
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,980
carried which would give a false

1287
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:34,079
signature to any aircraft that it was

1288
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:36,300
scanning to fire missile sand and this

1289
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:37,980
was something that was totally

1290
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,800
unnecessary going up against Soviet

1291
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:43,140
aircraft at the time because none of the

1292
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,660
Soviet aircraft at the time had radar

1293
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,000
warning detectors they could tell where

1294
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:51,059
a plane was radar scanning it from

1295
00:52:57,950 --> 00:52:52,760
that's interesting

1296
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,960
and the ys12a also carried cameras which

1297
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,720
were mounted below the engines on either

1298
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:03,180
side which were designed for air-to-air

1299
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:05,640
photography because the cameras pointed

1300
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:08,700
forward and rear worked whereas the Spy

1301
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,859
version had cameras mounted where the

1302
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,280
missiles were pointing downward to take

1303
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:15,839
photographs of land right

1304
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,540
and it's always been my theory that the

1305
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:21,839
idea was to intercept the UFOs because

1306
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,540
this thing could travel at Mach 3 and

1307
00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:27,180
UFOs could generally have versus speed

1308
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:30,119
up to mark IV from a sudden stop and

1309
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:33,059
this was our best hope at the time of

1310
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:35,819
using something to do this because there

1311
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,859
was just nothing else available to even

1312
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,839
attempt it what would make you think

1313
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:42,480
that UFOs would be vulnerable to missile

1314
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,700
attacks well if you used a postoper

1315
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:46,920
radar system and you were scanning them

1316
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,020
they wouldn't be able to tell exactly

1317
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:51,240
where you were scanning them from and if

1318
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:52,920
you fired a missile one if the missile

1319
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:55,140
was going at Mach 4 which it had to

1320
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:56,760
because the plane was traveling at Mach

1321
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:59,160
3. you're assuming that the the crafts

1322
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,619
are flying conventionally right if

1323
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:03,420
they're just hovering there it was it

1324
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:04,980
would be a stroke of what this is what

1325
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,140
they would be hoping for you you've got

1326
00:54:14,020 --> 00:54:08,640
to realize that this was the best they

1327
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:17,530
[Music]

1328
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:21,410
one mounted under each engine okay and

1329
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,839
they also had uh radiation stickers

1330
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,359
mounted with them and different things

1331
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:30,000
that could detect anomalies huh let me

1332
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:32,460
check that out and the uh the cameras

1333
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:35,400
were mounted below the engines on Parts

1334
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:38,099
when it's uh one camera facing forward

1335
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:40,500
one facing rearward well I'll check that

1336
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,300
out all right I also wanted to ask Bob

1337
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:43,920
the star real quick about the

1338
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,440
electromagnetic pulse effect from the

1339
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:48,480
disk practice

1340
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,000
um are these is this done with a

1341
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,339
separate generator unit inside the craft

1342
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,920
or is it all connected to the main power

1343
00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:57,960
unit or it's all connected to the main

1344
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:01,740
power unit the uh the amplifier the

1345
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:05,099
amplifiers are pulsed uh

1346
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,619
10 microseconds apart

1347
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:09,839
and that's if you're referring to the

1348
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:11,160
pulse I mean the reach turned on

1349
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:12,780
sequentially right so that's not a

1350
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,700
separate self-tense unit that can be

1351
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:16,920
removed from the craft it's it's part of

1352
00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:19,079
the way the craft works right and that's

1353
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:20,700
just a side effect of the way the craft

1354
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,480
works exactly I see I also have

1355
00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:26,700
information concerning a new Warhead

1356
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:28,619
that the United States Air Force is

1357
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:29,880
putting on the new Advanced cruise

1358
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,040
missile which is an electromagnetic

1359
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,500
pulse Warhead this came out in an issue

1360
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:37,260
of uh I have the magazine around here

1361
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:39,180
somewhere well any nuclear warhead will

1362
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:40,740
produce an election well yes because

1363
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:42,300
this does it without a nuclear charge

1364
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:44,700
this does it using an electromagnetic

1365
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,400
coil and a small explosive charge

1366
00:55:51,490 --> 00:55:49,740
destroy the missile the idea is that

1367
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:51,500
this thing will produce such a massive

1368
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,059
electromagnetic pulse that it would you

1369
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:56,760
know be used against uh headquarters

1370
00:56:01,849 --> 00:55:59,880
installations uh Financial targets where

1371
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:01,859
you want to disrupt money systems how

1372
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,980
and how on Earth do they achieve that I

1373
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:06,480
don't know but it's been published in a

1374
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:07,940
magazine here it is here's the article

1375
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,640
what magazine is it in it's in an issue

1376
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:13,079
from

1377
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:16,559
uh July August 1993 Journal of military

1378
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:20,880
Aviation volume two number four and if

1379
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,380
it has a special thing in here on the

1380
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,079
upgrades on the B-52 and if there's a

1381
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,359
recent addition to the alcm is the

1382
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:29,040
so-called non-winkle or disabling

1383
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,020
Warheads which are well suited for

1384
00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:33,480
regional or low intensity conflicts the

1385
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,099
Air Force has explored the development

1386
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,619
of a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse

1387
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:40,319
generator an EMT burst

1388
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,780
is generated by creating a magnetic

1389
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:45,119
field in a coil and then compressing it

1390
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,700
via conventional explosives okay well

1391
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:49,440
thank you for the info we have to add

1392
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:50,819
you our phone lines for tonight but

1393
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,900
thanks for the call and give us a call

1394
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:53,520
another time we'd like to thank

1395
00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:55,260
everybody for listening and thank our

1396
00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:57,180
guests John later John I hope you come

1397
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:59,339
join us again it sure will and we'd like

1398
00:57:03,310 --> 00:57:00,900
to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and